Any Arch distribution other than Manjaro uses Arch’s repository, we can help with that too can’t we?

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alokmystic 2022-08-16 17:40:50
LuDGeRBriNk 2022-08-16 17:39:21
absolutely. But as an almost-former-begginer, i can say that arch, the way it is, supported my journey of acquiring knowledge. I once too thought arch difficult to install but today i’m thankful for not have gotten a “recipe” or “tutorial” for it.

Often times the people do not know that they want, let alone what they need. I didn’t know back then, but now i am less uneducated on the topic and i can be thankful for having gotten actual help – which is probably different.

If i had simply followed youtube tutorials back then, i’d still be doing it now and i would be also memorizing commands.

You journey is not the journey of everyone.

il_muflone 2022-08-16 17:40:55
also me, in an unofficial channel
jonathn 2022-08-16 17:41:15
alokmystic 2022-08-16 17:40:19
No, even Endeavor OS is a help in this direction. There are many people like me who are trying to provide Arch benefits to non technical people.

In which case, EndeavourOS is what they should be using. Don’t make people use Arch when there are more appropriate options.

C0rn3j 2022-08-16 17:41:19
@alokmystic
* No antivaxx or other dangerous conspiracy theory bullshit in this group, first and last warning.
* You are arguing about unsupported installations with MULTIPLE staff members, maybe they know better than you?
il_muflone 2022-08-16 17:42:27
Ackbar would tell: it’s a trap
alokmystic 2022-08-16 17:42:32
jonathn 2022-08-16 17:41:15
In which case, EndeavourOS is what they should be using. Don’t make people use Arch when there are more appropriate options.

No they can also use Arch infact many people are using it without learning from wiki with the help of others. We should not decide how other should live their life.

grazzolini 2022-08-16 17:42:48
alokmystic 2022-08-16 17:35:27
Is creator of Arch linux the owner of this group?

If you mean the Arch Linux Leader, no he isn’t here. But there are several Arch developers, trusted users and staff in here, even this group not being official.

LuDGeRBriNk 2022-08-16 17:43:12
alokmystic 2022-08-16 17:40:19
No, even Endeavor OS is a help in this direction. There are many people like me who are trying to provide Arch benefits to non technical people.

hmmm i think you mentioned a key idea here: non tech people.
The way i think, which is of little importance, of course, by becoming an arch user you inevitably become a little more technical than before. I feel a lot more technically able now after a couple of years using arch. And TO ME this is indeed what arch is about. My journey is different from other people’s, but imho, if you do not enjoy reading the wiki, maybe other distros will fit you better than arch.

jonathn 2022-08-16 17:43:15
alokmystic 2022-08-16 17:42:32
No they can also use Arch infact many people are using it without learning from wiki with the help of others. We should not decide how other should live their life.

But you are deciding how they should live! You’re making them use Arch!

alokmystic 2022-08-16 17:43:27
C0rn3j 2022-08-16 17:41:19
@alokmystic
* No antivaxx or other dangerous conspiracy theory bullshit in this group, first and last warning.
* You are arguing about unsupported installations with MULTIPLE staff members, maybe they know better than you?

I have not said whether antivaxx are right or pro vaxx are right. I just said that both part think that other party is wrong.

il_muflone 2022-08-16 17:43:47
installing Endeavour OS is not Arch, just to be clear for anyone
alokmystic 2022-08-16 17:44:19
jonathn 2022-08-16 17:43:15
But you are deciding how they should live! You’re making them use Arch!

No, person is asking himself that he wants to use arch then only I am helping. Why would I decide which distro one should use?

alokmystic 2022-08-16 17:44:47
il_muflone 2022-08-16 17:43:47
installing Endeavour OS is not Arch, just to be clear for anyone

Yes, but it also not very much different from Arch.

il_muflone 2022-08-16 17:45:40
alokmystic 2022-08-16 17:44:47
Yes, but it also not very much different from Arch.

this is your PERSONAL only view

it’s another distribution, run by different persons, with different packages, different repositories.

it’s another distribution.

ston 2022-08-16 17:46:09
Any Arch distribution other than Manjaro uses Arch’s repository, we can help with that too can’t we?
jonathn 2022-08-16 17:46:18
alokmystic 2022-08-16 17:44:19
No, person is asking himself that he wants to use arch then only I am helping. Why would I decide which distro one should use?

You’re allowed to provide recommendations based on your experience. If someone doesn’t know which distro to use I’ll give them options depending on their experience, use-case, how interested they are in learning and continually maintaining an installation, etc. etc. etc.

Arch is not the best distro for everyone.

il_muflone 2022-08-16 17:46:27
I’m not against Endeavour OS or its users, just only against the people telling everywhere lies about its nature
jonathn 2022-08-16 17:46:31
ston 2022-08-16 17:46:09
Any Arch distribution other than Manjaro uses Arch’s repository, we can help with that too can’t we?

In the appropriate channels

alokmystic 2022-08-16 17:46:36
il_muflone 2022-08-16 17:45:40
this is your PERSONAL only view

it’s another distribution, run by different persons, with different packages, different repositories.

it’s another distribution.

So kernel is different. Gimp installed in Endeavor OS is different? There are little difference but most parts are same.

jonathn 2022-08-16 17:47:08
alokmystic 2022-08-16 17:46:36
So kernel is different. Gimp installed in Endeavor OS is different? There are little difference but most parts are same.

As someone who contributes to EnOS and frequents their forum etc. I can assure you that EndeavourOS is not Arch. It is an Arch derivative.

alokmystic 2022-08-16 17:47:21
jonathn 2022-08-16 17:46:18
You’re allowed to provide recommendations based on your experience. If someone doesn’t know which distro to use I’ll give them options depending on their experience, use-case, how interested they are in learning and continually maintaining an installation, etc. etc. etc.

Arch is not the best distro for everyone.

We are allowed but I would not prefer if someone is not asking.

il_muflone 2022-08-16 17:47:23
alokmystic 2022-08-16 17:46:36
So kernel is different. Gimp installed in Endeavor OS is different? There are little difference but most parts are same.

it’s another distribution, whatever you install in that, it’s the maintainers decision, not Arch’

ston 2022-08-16 17:47:43
EnOS is based on ArchISO, which may indeed pose certain problems
alokmystic 2022-08-16 17:48:22
jonathn 2022-08-16 17:47:08
As someone who contributes to EnOS and frequents their forum etc. I can assure you that EndeavourOS is not Arch. It is an Arch derivative.

I know that is why I said little different. But tell what part is different? Kernel, DE, Application softwares are mostly same.

ston 2022-08-16 17:48:29
The garuda is also similar
alokmystic 2022-08-16 17:49:03
ston 2022-08-16 17:47:43
EnOS is based on ArchISO, which may indeed pose certain problems

I never said it is exactly same. I said mostly same.

jonathn 2022-08-16 17:49:07
alokmystic 2022-08-16 17:48:22
I know that is why I said little different. But tell what part is different? Kernel, DE, Application softwares are mostly same.

The additional repo, the additional tooling, the automated GUI installer, … how many things do you want?

ston 2022-08-16 17:49:11
alokmystic 2022-08-16 17:48:22
I know that is why I said little different. But tell what part is different? Kernel, DE, Application softwares are mostly same.

There will be default settings based on the installation media, some of which may not apply to desktop systems

ston 2022-08-16 17:49:53
This makes it more difficult for Arch users to reproduce the problem
ston 2022-08-16 17:50:16
So it’s best to add your own distribution to your question, right?
alokmystic 2022-08-16 17:50:56
jonathn 2022-08-16 17:49:07
The additional repo, the additional tooling, the automated GUI installer, … how many things do you want?

If I get any package lets say gimp or libreoffice then will it be different from same package from Arch repo? Installer do nothing once user starts using installed system. From the perspective of use experience is similar (not exactly same)

il_muflone 2022-08-16 17:51:19
similar is enough 😀
ston 2022-08-16 17:51:49
alokmystic 2022-08-16 17:50:56
If I get any package lets say gimp or libreoffice then will it be different from same package from Arch repo? Installer do nothing once user starts using installed system. From the perspective of use experience is similar (not exactly same)

Arch should be the same if using desktop software and the default settings (I don’t mean your distro’s custom settings)

il_muflone 2022-08-16 17:51:57
just tell the users the experience might be similar
jonathn 2022-08-16 17:52:14
alokmystic 2022-08-16 17:50:56
If I get any package lets say gimp or libreoffice then will it be different from same package from Arch repo? Installer do nothing once user starts using installed system. From the perspective of use experience is similar (not exactly same)

If your basis for comparison is end-user software then all distros are “mostly the same”.

Please accept that your perspective is wrong, and that derivatives are not Arch.

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