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Alex 2022-07-23 10:04:15
i am not supposed to say systemd is political?
qontinuum 2022-07-23 10:04:50
You have to say things that make sense
And this doesn’t make any sense
Night_H4nter 2022-07-23 10:05:34
you’re just delirious it seems
Night_H4nter 2022-07-23 10:05:50
saying nonsense
Alex 2022-07-23 10:07:00
qontinuum 2022-07-23 10:04:50
You have to say things that make sense
And this doesn’t make any sense
well let’s hope that whoever makes sense doesn’t fuck things up
qontinuum 2022-07-23 10:08:13
I am not sure if I am having a stroke
Night_H4nter 2022-07-23 10:08:29
i’m definitely not
Night_H4nter 2022-07-23 10:08:34
but losing iq rapidly rn
grakata_clem 2022-07-23 10:09:12
Alex 2022-07-23 10:09:16
well with the twisted logic of ppl nowadays i thought i’d say that
Alex 2022-07-23 10:09:27
anyway ill shut it now, too drunk
Alex 2022-07-23 10:09:46
iq will recover from 65 to 105 right away
qontinuum 2022-07-23 10:09:51
Alex 2022-07-23 10:09:27
anyway ill shut it now, too drunk
You lied
You are never too drunk
Alex 2022-07-23 10:09:52
lol
lanciagreggori 2022-07-23 10:24:44
Alex 2022-07-23 09:51:32
Is it me or it’s actually something political surrounding systemd
It is, corporate wanted to steer Linux in a certain direction, systemd is just a microcosm of that
lanciagreggori 2022-07-23 10:26:04
Alex 2022-07-23 09:52:32
everyone shuts up and accepts it even gnu
Many people didn’t, hell the whole debian project was on fire and that let to devuan
grakata_clem 2022-07-23 10:26:16
lanciagreggori 2022-07-23 10:24:44
It is, corporate wanted to steer Linux in a certain direction, systemd is just a microcosm of that
Yeah, but how is it political?
lanciagreggori 2022-07-23 10:27:26
grakata_clem 2022-07-23 10:26:16
Yeah, but how is it political?
A group made a decision, that decision effected many people
lanciagreggori 2022-07-23 10:27:48
You either accepted it, or rebbeled
lanciagreggori 2022-07-23 10:28:36
grakata_clem 2022-07-23 09:53:06
Accounting Poettering’s hate towards POSIX and development process, no shit he heavily pushed it
How does poettring hate POSIX?
grakata_clem 2022-07-23 10:29:14
lanciagreggori 2022-07-23 10:28:36
How does poettring hate POSIX?
He said that Linux must sidestep from POSIX to boost development speed in exchange of compatibility
grakata_clem 2022-07-23 10:29:20
I can find that speech
grakata_clem 2022-07-23 10:29:31
Also he said that in his articles
lanciagreggori 2022-07-23 10:30:15
grakata_clem 2022-07-23 10:29:14
He said that Linux must sidestep from POSIX to boost development speed in exchange of compatibility
What is “Linux” exactly here?
grakata_clem 2022-07-23 10:30:32
Entire ecosystem, I mean
grakata_clem 2022-07-23 10:30:37
Gnu, kernel
lanciagreggori 2022-07-23 10:32:25
grakata_clem 2022-07-23 10:30:37
Gnu, kernel
The kernel has your standard UNIX system calls, anything non POSIX would be extensions to the kernel, no problem
lanciagreggori 2022-07-23 10:32:41
If he meant init, then yeah I totally agree
grakata_clem 2022-07-23 10:33:15
He also encouraged developers to read The Linux Programming Interface, but ignoring POSIX parts
lanciagreggori 2022-07-23 10:34:50
lanciagreggori 2022-07-23 10:32:25
The kernel has your standard UNIX system calls, anything non POSIX would be extensions to the kernel, no problem
Actualy wait, GNU is a superset of POSIX, it doesn’t deviate from POSIX, though you can use it in a non POSIX way by using it’s extensions like gawk
lanciagreggori 2022-07-23 10:35:39
grakata_clem 2022-07-23 10:33:15
He also encouraged developers to read The Linux Programming Interface, but ignoring POSIX parts
And when did he say that?
Ignore POSIX what? Like what are they gonna do? Implement their own open(2) system call?
lanciagreggori 2022-07-23 10:36:20
Still like I said, I agree with poettring on stuff like init not being POSIX
grakata_clem 2022-07-23 10:40:03
lanciagreggori 2022-07-23 10:35:39
And when did he say that?
Ignore POSIX what? Like what are they gonna do? Implement their own open(2) system call?
https://archive.fosdem.org/2011/interview/lennart-poettering.html
grakata_clem 2022-07-23 10:40:16
> So, get yourself a copy of The Linux Programming Interface, ignore everything it says about POSIX compatibility and hack away your amazing Linux software. It’s quite relieving!
grakata_clem 2022-07-23 10:53:20
Also https://linuxfr.org/nodes/86687/comments/1249943
LinuxFr.org : Systemd use a lot of Linux only technologies (cgroups, udev, fanotify, timerfd, signalfd, etc). Do you really think the Linux API has been taking the role of the POSIX API and the other systems are irrelevant ?
Lennart : Yes, I don’t think BSD is really too relevant anymore, and I think that this implied requirement for compatibility with those systems when somebody hacks software for the free desktop or ecosystem is a burden, and holds us back for little benefit.
I am pretty sure those other systems are not irrelevant for everbody, after all there are people hacking on them. I just don’t think it’s really in our interest to let us being held back by them if we want to make sure Linux enters the mainstream all across the board (and not just on servers and mobile phones, and not in reduced ways like Android). They are irrelevant to get Free Software into everybody’s hand, and I think that is and should be our goal.
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