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qontinuum 2022-08-05 16:23:55
grakata_clem 2022-08-05 16:22:31
I guess it’s the main reason to think the installation is hard
Having a lot of stuff to learn is effectively one of the definition of “being hard”
grakata_clem 2022-08-05 16:24:10
siduck 2022-08-05 16:23:28
Yep u still need to use the archwiki to make use of the cli installer, I don’t need to read any docs to use gui installer! Ik cli installers give more power but gui/ tui installers ( like in void, freebsd ) are simple and enough for my use case
I also don’t need to read any docs to unpack rootfs, mount sys run proc and dev and chroot
Jay 2022-08-05 16:24:36
qontinuum 2022-08-05 16:23:55
Having a lot of stuff to learn is effectively one of the definition of “being hard”
bbbuut, it’s only chroot and bind mount as @grakata_clem said
siduck 2022-08-05 16:24:40
grakata_clem 2022-08-05 16:24:10
I also don’t need to read any docs to unpack rootfs, mount sys run proc and dev and chroot
U have to initially, how do you even know about them then?
qontinuum 2022-08-05 16:24:47
grakata_clem 2022-08-05 16:24:10
I also don’t need to read any docs to unpack rootfs, mount sys run proc and dev and chroot
And you are born knowing all this
siduck 2022-08-05 16:24:48
Did you knew about those stuff since birth?
grakata_clem 2022-08-05 16:25:37
qontinuum 2022-08-05 16:24:47
And you are born knowing all this
Yeah my take was stupid
capezotte 2022-08-05 16:26:21
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grakata_clem 2022-08-05 16:26:21
Jay 2022-08-05 16:24:36
bbbuut, it’s only chroot and bind mount as @grakata_clem said
To install minimal system – yes, but the amount of text for working with portage is massive
grakata_clem 2022-08-05 16:28:19
I installed Gentoo after two years or so on Artix of simple curiosity, and when I did emerge –help I was like what the hell, this is the biggest list of command options I’ve ever seen
Jay 2022-08-05 16:28:44
siduck 2022-08-05 16:24:40
U have to initially, how do you even know about them then?
i did a debian installation years ago, and i’m overwhelmed by the gui partitioner.
then i went to google.
“y /home”
“y esp flags”
“y root”
“wat partition size for swap etc”
i understand chroot and mount and linux fs from therr.
qontinuum 2022-08-05 16:28:45
capezotte 2022-08-05 16:26:21
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It was more about the fact we said the same thing at the same time but yeah definitely relevant as well xD
Jay 2022-08-05 16:30:26
grakata_clem 2022-08-05 16:26:21
To install minimal system – yes, but the amount of text for working with portage is massive
what text? the compilation output?
grakata_clem 2022-08-05 16:30:37
Jay 2022-08-05 16:30:26
what text? the compilation output?
No, in handbook
grakata_clem 2022-08-05 16:31:06
Wiki page of portage is also quite large
Jay 2022-08-05 16:31:07
grakata_clem 2022-08-05 16:30:37
No, in handbook
i haven’t even read the hanbook lmao,
Jay 2022-08-05 16:31:17
can’t really comment on that
capezotte 2022-08-05 16:31:25
And I still wonder how this guy hasn’t stumbled on any dependency cycles or massive rebuild from simple USE changes on a real-world install.
Jay 2022-08-05 16:31:54
capezotte 2022-08-05 16:31:25
And I still wonder how this guy hasn’t stumbled on any dependency cycles or massive rebuild from simple USE changes on a real-world install.
which guy? me?
capezotte 2022-08-05 16:32:06
yea
Jay 2022-08-05 16:32:40
capezotte 2022-08-05 16:31:25
And I still wonder how this guy hasn’t stumbled on any dependency cycles or massive rebuild from simple USE changes on a real-world install.
i do rebuild once in a while, like that time i use the Ofast cxx flags.
grakata_clem 2022-08-05 16:33:04
capezotte 2022-08-05 16:31:25
And I still wonder how this guy hasn’t stumbled on any dependency cycles or massive rebuild from simple USE changes on a real-world install.
At least now portage gives you a list of recommended USE flags and changes in them upon update and you just need to accept them
grakata_clem 2022-08-05 16:33:57
Guys told me that back in the days this wasn’t the case, and you needed to read about USE flags and choose them manually
grakata_clem 2022-08-05 16:34:10
Or you were going to fuck up your deps
capezotte 2022-08-05 16:34:27
still much more involved than “pacstrap to /mnt and install grub after you’re done having coffee”
Jay 2022-08-05 16:35:03
grakata_clem 2022-08-05 16:33:04
At least now portage gives you a list of recommended USE flags and changes in them upon update and you just need to accept them
this!
Jay 2022-08-05 16:35:33
emerge literally holds your hand.
Jay 2022-08-05 16:35:45
eselect too
grakata_clem 2022-08-05 16:35:58
Also, now you don’t need to compile stage 1-2
grakata_clem 2022-08-05 16:37:09
Devs simplified the install as much as possible
grakata_clem 2022-08-05 16:37:32
You still can do it the old way if you really want, but most people start from stage3 already
Jay 2022-08-05 16:39:22
grakata_clem 2022-08-05 16:37:32
You still can do it the old way if you really want, but most people start from stage3 already
who tf starts from s1/2?
Jay 2022-08-05 16:39:24
like why?
Jay 2022-08-05 16:39:36
unless you’re an engineer then “okay”
wardenunit 2022-08-05 16:39:48
s/artix/gentoo
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